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		<title>By: Is Project Success a Superior Value? &#124; pmStudent</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/04/which-project-manager-would-you-hire.html#comment-5191</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Project Success a Superior Value? &#124; pmStudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people work with each other all over again. Projects change but teams remain. Now consider you have a choice between a very successful PM who is a jerk, and one who fails more often but is a team play.... Would you sacrifice good atmosphere and team chemistry just to finish a couple of projects more on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people work with each other all over again. Projects change but teams remain. Now consider you have a choice between a very successful PM who is a jerk, and one who fails more often but is a team play&#8230;. Would you sacrifice good atmosphere and team chemistry just to finish a couple of projects more on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/04/which-project-manager-would-you-hire.html#comment-2266</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meade,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is when we&#039;re hiring there&#039;s no such thing as same projects and same environments. Coming further I believe it&#039;s almost impossible to judge which project was extraordinarily difficult and which was pretty easy basing only on interviews with people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&#039;s no easy way to compare people yet somehow we have to make this kind of decisions every day. Then these are characteristics which we favor most which play the main role. And on this one we differ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meade,</p>
<p>The problem is when we&#8217;re hiring there&#8217;s no such thing as same projects and same environments. Coming further I believe it&#8217;s almost impossible to judge which project was extraordinarily difficult and which was pretty easy basing only on interviews with people.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no easy way to compare people yet somehow we have to make this kind of decisions every day. Then these are characteristics which we favor most which play the main role. And on this one we differ.</p>
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		<title>By: Meade</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/04/which-project-manager-would-you-hire.html#comment-2265</link>
		<dc:creator>Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No person can always win, but they should have a &#039;winning&#039; streak - which would indicate that the majority of what they are doing has to be good. Could it be that they were successful at all the easy projects? or the the definitions of success was changed to their favor? These are things that need to be taken into consideration.  I think what I&#039;m trying to say is, given two people, with the same projects, same environments, etc. - I would select the person who successfully completes the project as compared to one that hasn&#039;t but is perhaps a &#039;nicer&#039; person or one that you feel has better management skills.  I think in a lot of situations the &#039;soft skills&#039; are viewed with a prejudice - in your original example you place the man as being the winner (more assertive) and the women being a better manager - putting a picture in one&#039;s mind - perhaps a subconscious attempt at leaning people one way or the other (how can you vote against Sue - she&#039;s nice, dresses nice, talks properly, etc. - then there&#039;s Joe who smokes, drinks and curses)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No person can always win, but they should have a &#8216;winning&#8217; streak &#8211; which would indicate that the majority of what they are doing has to be good. Could it be that they were successful at all the easy projects? or the the definitions of success was changed to their favor? These are things that need to be taken into consideration.  I think what I&#8217;m trying to say is, given two people, with the same projects, same environments, etc. &#8211; I would select the person who successfully completes the project as compared to one that hasn&#8217;t but is perhaps a &#8216;nicer&#8217; person or one that you feel has better management skills.  I think in a lot of situations the &#8216;soft skills&#8217; are viewed with a prejudice &#8211; in your original example you place the man as being the winner (more assertive) and the women being a better manager &#8211; putting a picture in one&#8217;s mind &#8211; perhaps a subconscious attempt at leaning people one way or the other (how can you vote against Sue &#8211; she&#8217;s nice, dresses nice, talks properly, etc. &#8211; then there&#8217;s Joe who smokes, drinks and curses)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/04/which-project-manager-would-you-hire.html#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meade,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that you can&#039;t simply compare experience of two different people from two different environments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keeping your historical examples: do lost battles of Leipzig and of Waterloo make Napoleon poor (or average) military leader? Or maybe fact that his troops were outnumbered twice in the former or almost twice in the latter does change the judgement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or who is considered as a better general: Napoleon or von Blucher (who won at Waterloo)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Success is a relative thing. Winning local competition (a success) can&#039;t be easily compared with barely qualifying to Olympic Games and finishing on the last place (failure).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meade,</p>
<p>I believe that you can&#8217;t simply compare experience of two different people from two different environments.</p>
<p>Keeping your historical examples: do lost battles of Leipzig and of Waterloo make Napoleon poor (or average) military leader? Or maybe fact that his troops were outnumbered twice in the former or almost twice in the latter does change the judgement.</p>
<p>Or who is considered as a better general: Napoleon or von Blucher (who won at Waterloo)?</p>
<p>Success is a relative thing. Winning local competition (a success) can&#8217;t be easily compared with barely qualifying to Olympic Games and finishing on the last place (failure).</p>
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		<title>By: Meade</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/04/which-project-manager-would-you-hire.html#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be brutal - if you&#039;re willing to continue to fail because you don&#039;t want to make a hard choice about leadership - than you&#039;re putting the entire company/team at risk.  I rely on history for a guide and look at the Abraham Lincoln/US Grant relationship...A/B decisions are not easy, but in real life you tend not to be able to pick qualities but people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be brutal &#8211; if you&#8217;re willing to continue to fail because you don&#8217;t want to make a hard choice about leadership &#8211; than you&#8217;re putting the entire company/team at risk.  I rely on history for a guide and look at the Abraham Lincoln/US Grant relationship&#8230;A/B decisions are not easy, but in real life you tend not to be able to pick qualities but people</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe, just maybe, Jim did one particular thing right - he chose project easy enough to ensure he&#039;ll manage without much sweat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately after a couple of hours of interview it&#039;s hard to say so we don&#039;t know this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff,</p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, Jim did one particular thing right &#8211; he chose project easy enough to ensure he&#8217;ll manage without much sweat.</p>
<p>Unfortunately after a couple of hours of interview it&#8217;s hard to say so we don&#8217;t know this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Jim has been a part of SEVERAL successful projects, I&#039;d easily take him.  Self-confidence is a must.  Projects fail more than they succeed and if we&#039;re saying Jim has brought several projects in on time and under budget, and the project in question offers any complexity beyond normal, Jim is the guy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the project isn&#039;t of high complexity, Jane has an opportunity to succeed and build that confidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jim&#039;s perceived a-holeness is nearly irrelevant.  If you can be an a-hole but bring several projects in on time and under budget, you have to be doing something right.  This scenario reminds me of the what Branford Marsalis said about his students: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rz2jRHA9fo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jim has been a part of SEVERAL successful projects, I&#8217;d easily take him.  Self-confidence is a must.  Projects fail more than they succeed and if we&#8217;re saying Jim has brought several projects in on time and under budget, and the project in question offers any complexity beyond normal, Jim is the guy. </p>
<p>If the project isn&#8217;t of high complexity, Jane has an opportunity to succeed and build that confidence.</p>
<p>Jim&#8217;s perceived a-holeness is nearly irrelevant.  If you can be an a-hole but bring several projects in on time and under budget, you have to be doing something right.  This scenario reminds me of the what Branford Marsalis said about his students: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rz2jRHA9fo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rz2jRHA9fo</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate these A vs B things (even though I ask these questions myself) since in reality the subtleties matter. Perhaps in talking to Jim I&#039;m convinced I can create an environment where he is less of an asshole :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But assuming all details you did not specify are equal, there&#039;s no no doubt I&#039;d avoid Jim. There is no way to recover from the kind of damage he will cause.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jane on the other hand, with the trust of her team, is an easier total package to manage. She will get more out of her team, has higher odds of being a long term member of my org, and might have more to prove to the world (and therefore more passion) than Jim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.scottberkun.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scott Berkun&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate these A vs B things (even though I ask these questions myself) since in reality the subtleties matter. Perhaps in talking to Jim I&#8217;m convinced I can create an environment where he is less of an asshole :)</p>
<p>But assuming all details you did not specify are equal, there&#8217;s no no doubt I&#8217;d avoid Jim. There is no way to recover from the kind of damage he will cause.</p>
<p>Jane on the other hand, with the trust of her team, is an easier total package to manage. She will get more out of her team, has higher odds of being a long term member of my org, and might have more to prove to the world (and therefore more passion) than Jim.</p>
<p>- <a HREF="http://www.scottberkun.com" REL="nofollow">Scott Berkun</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You bring a new perspective considering a consulting project and temporary team when team chemistry isn&#039;t so important. Point taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You bring a new perspective considering a consulting project and temporary team when team chemistry isn&#8217;t so important. Point taken.</p>
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		<title>By: johnfmoore</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnfmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawel,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The right answer is that it depends.  Results matter and that makes Jim a good choice.  However, team chemistry is crucial for long-term viability, so you have to consider:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-  Is this a project that is being delivered on a short, or long, time frame.  If it&#039;s a long running project that you need to keep your eyes and ears open.  With Jim you have to watch team morale, with Jane you have to watch project health.&lt;br /&gt;-  Is this a team that you plan on keeping together after the project.  If it&#039;s a consulting job or some other type of project where people come together for the project and then go their separate ways I would go with Jim.&lt;br /&gt;-  If this is a long running project with a team that you are hoping to keep together for some period of time following this project I would go with Jane and ensure she received enough mentoring and guidance to improve her success rate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s a great question as there is no clear right or wrong answer.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John&lt;br /&gt;http://twitter.com/JohnFMoore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawel,</p>
<p>The right answer is that it depends.  Results matter and that makes Jim a good choice.  However, team chemistry is crucial for long-term viability, so you have to consider:</p>
<p>-  Is this a project that is being delivered on a short, or long, time frame.  If it&#8217;s a long running project that you need to keep your eyes and ears open.  With Jim you have to watch team morale, with Jane you have to watch project health.<br />-  Is this a team that you plan on keeping together after the project.  If it&#8217;s a consulting job or some other type of project where people come together for the project and then go their separate ways I would go with Jim.<br />-  If this is a long running project with a team that you are hoping to keep together for some period of time following this project I would go with Jane and ensure she received enough mentoring and guidance to improve her success rate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great question as there is no clear right or wrong answer.  </p>
<p>John<br /><a href="http://twitter.com/JohnFMoore" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/JohnFMoore</a></p>
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