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	<title>Comments on: Project Management 2.0 in 2001</title>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/11/project-management-20-in-2001.html/comment-page-1#comment-2461</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The longer I think about it the stronger is my belief that MS Project should be really two separate products driven and marketed independently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can understand your concerns to some point - I&#039;ve never worked in such a large environment using MS Project so extensively, but I guess I went way further than 90% of MSP users. My usage was still limited to what I believe are simple features (at least most of them) but I&#039;m aware how much more you could achieve with MS Project in such complex environment you work in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand when you buy MS Project you get all the stuff no matter whether you need them or not, budgeting being a nice example of premium feature which is rarely used by majority of users.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t agree that MSFT focuses on 90% of project users. If they did we&#039;d see lightweight web-based version of Project with limited feature set sold in SaaS model. I actually have no idea what MSFT focuses on with their marketing effort on MSP. If you as a premium user are unsatisfied and the same is on the other end of scale the marketing strategy must be flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen,</p>
<p>The longer I think about it the stronger is my belief that MS Project should be really two separate products driven and marketed independently.</p>
<p>I can understand your concerns to some point &#8211; I&#39;ve never worked in such a large environment using MS Project so extensively, but I guess I went way further than 90% of MSP users. My usage was still limited to what I believe are simple features (at least most of them) but I&#39;m aware how much more you could achieve with MS Project in such complex environment you work in.</p>
<p>On the other hand when you buy MS Project you get all the stuff no matter whether you need them or not, budgeting being a nice example of premium feature which is rarely used by majority of users.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t agree that MSFT focuses on 90% of project users. If they did we&#39;d see lightweight web-based version of Project with limited feature set sold in SaaS model. I actually have no idea what MSFT focuses on with their marketing effort on MSP. If you as a premium user are unsatisfied and the same is on the other end of scale the marketing strategy must be flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen B. Alleman</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/11/project-management-20-in-2001.html/comment-page-1#comment-2460</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen B. Alleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawel,&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d have to say you need to define &quot;MS Project Users.&quot; I&#039;m on a site this week, where there are probably a 1,000 MSP users. This site is one of a dozen sites for the firm across the US.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So a few questions:&lt;br /&gt;1. What&#039;s your alternative?&lt;br /&gt;2. What are the details of the management and marketing of MSP - I know the Product Manager.&lt;br /&gt;3. You&#039;re correct about the 80% to 90% of the users create simple waterfall plans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The issue is there are 10&#039;s of 1,000&#039;s of users (out of the millions of licenses) that create large (5K to 50K) line schedules that manage 100&#039;s of billions of dollars of projects world wide. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The real marketing issue is MSFT focuses on the 90% user base and essentially ignores the 10% (me and the 10&#039;s of 1,000&#039;s of PP&amp;C people). We&#039;ve had this discussion with MSFT and they know where the revenue comes from. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So when Andrew speaks about MSP is suspect he&#039;s in the category of the 90% users that only build simple schedules for straight forward self contained projects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our programs are a small minority compared to the total population (head count), but likely represent the vast majority - I&#039;d conjecture 90% - of the total dollar value of projects. A $20M to $50M project in space and defense of considered &quot;small.&quot; One joke in the local defense business here in Denver is a major firm wouldn&#039;t bend over to pick up a $10M bill laying on the sidewalk. Too small, too paper work for a small return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawel,<br />I&#39;d have to say you need to define &quot;MS Project Users.&quot; I&#39;m on a site this week, where there are probably a 1,000 MSP users. This site is one of a dozen sites for the firm across the US.</p>
<p>So a few questions:<br />1. What&#39;s your alternative?<br />2. What are the details of the management and marketing of MSP &#8211; I know the Product Manager.<br />3. You&#39;re correct about the 80% to 90% of the users create simple waterfall plans.</p>
<p>The issue is there are 10&#39;s of 1,000&#39;s of users (out of the millions of licenses) that create large (5K to 50K) line schedules that manage 100&#39;s of billions of dollars of projects world wide. </p>
<p>The real marketing issue is MSFT focuses on the 90% user base and essentially ignores the 10% (me and the 10&#39;s of 1,000&#39;s of PP&amp;C people). We&#39;ve had this discussion with MSFT and they know where the revenue comes from. </p>
<p>So when Andrew speaks about MSP is suspect he&#39;s in the category of the 90% users that only build simple schedules for straight forward self contained projects.</p>
<p>Our programs are a small minority compared to the total population (head count), but likely represent the vast majority &#8211; I&#39;d conjecture 90% &#8211; of the total dollar value of projects. A $20M to $50M project in space and defense of considered &quot;small.&quot; One joke in the local defense business here in Denver is a major firm wouldn&#39;t bend over to pick up a $10M bill laying on the sidewalk. Too small, too paper work for a small return.</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/11/project-management-20-in-2001.html/comment-page-1#comment-2459</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In defence of Andrew I can say his opinions are commonly shared among MS Project users (can&#039;t say for Deltek or Primavera because I know very few of them). My guess is that more than 80% or even more than 90% of usage of MS Project is limited to creation of mpp file and sending it out via email. If you use the tool this way limitations Andrew points are valid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course when one misuses the tool it&#039;s not the tool which should be blamed and that&#039;s exactly what I was trying to point (fully agree with you here).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a side note I think both product management and marketing for MS Project is completely screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defence of Andrew I can say his opinions are commonly shared among MS Project users (can&#39;t say for Deltek or Primavera because I know very few of them). My guess is that more than 80% or even more than 90% of usage of MS Project is limited to creation of mpp file and sending it out via email. If you use the tool this way limitations Andrew points are valid.</p>
<p>Of course when one misuses the tool it&#39;s not the tool which should be blamed and that&#39;s exactly what I was trying to point (fully agree with you here).</p>
<p>On a side note I think both product management and marketing for MS Project is completely screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen B. Alleman</title>
		<link>http://blog.brodzinski.com/2009/11/project-management-20-in-2001.html/comment-page-1#comment-2458</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen B. Alleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawel,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe what Andrew is saying is &quot;I haven&#039;t figured out how to use the tools to do anything other than a simple waterfall schedule in Project.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a user of MSFT Project Server, Deltek, and Primevera - all enterprise project management tools - NONE of the attributes Andrew describes are the case in practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His narrow view starts and end with the statement MSFT Project was &quot;created to support waterfall. This is course is typical Andrew nonsense.&quot; I&#039;d love to have Andrew come and see how we manage programs with 10&#039;s of 1000&#039;s of lines of MSFT project tasks spread over the entire USA, with 20 or so major subcontractors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But as the self appointed leader of PM 2.0, it may be difficult to expand his horizons with actual projects performing work in ways he claims can&#039;t be done. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sad actually, because there is so much improvement needed in all areas of PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawel,</p>
<p>Maybe what Andrew is saying is &quot;I haven&#39;t figured out how to use the tools to do anything other than a simple waterfall schedule in Project.&quot; </p>
<p>As a user of MSFT Project Server, Deltek, and Primevera &#8211; all enterprise project management tools &#8211; NONE of the attributes Andrew describes are the case in practice.</p>
<p>His narrow view starts and end with the statement MSFT Project was &quot;created to support waterfall. This is course is typical Andrew nonsense.&quot; I&#39;d love to have Andrew come and see how we manage programs with 10&#39;s of 1000&#39;s of lines of MSFT project tasks spread over the entire USA, with 20 or so major subcontractors.</p>
<p>But as the self appointed leader of PM 2.0, it may be difficult to expand his horizons with actual projects performing work in ways he claims can&#39;t be done. </p>
<p>Sad actually, because there is so much improvement needed in all areas of PM.</p>
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